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in the other 48 states with the cold? that's in "the politics fix." finally, who were the big winners and losers of 2009? gallup poll has the answers. let's start with the foiled terrorist plot to blow up a north westerly airliner. a democrat from washington, d.c. and a republican congressman from california. let's go through the data here. you both know it. number one, the guy paid in cash. he didn't check any bags. his father reported that he was troubled to the united states embassy. a lot of question about that thing. he had explosives taped to his leg. he had a syringe in his underwear. and he walked right on to that plane and did his business until a fellow passenger stopped him. no official stopped him anywhere. no official would have stopped him. he would that blown up the plane except for a fellow passenger. this is scary stuff, congressman. tell me what do you make of the
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data we have already on this case? >> well, it's easy to be a monday morning quarterback. i don't want to do that. but the fact of the matter is, a lot of what we do when we're successful is connecting the dots. when you talk about a watch list that's very different than the no-fly list. it is a much larger list. and you start to compile it and then try and bring bits of information together against the names that are already there. now we know there was sufficient reason to deny this person the opportunity to come to america to have a visa to be on that airplane. the questions that we're going to ask as members of the committee are where are the failures in this system, how can we make sure that you connect these dots much earlier than happened in this particular case, and how do we have better inspections? i've been a strong advocate of the full body scan, something that we have not put into place around the country and around the world. hopefully we'll take another look at that particular device
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which would have given us an opportunity to see what this person had strapped to his body. >> what did you do about getting us the full body scan, congressman? how did you go about pushing for it before this happened? >> i've tried to say, look, if some people have objections to the idea that it is an invasion of privacy, we ought to have something as simple as a do-not-caroline. that is, most people, i don't think, would care about the invasion of privacy. they wouldn't see one being subjected to this sort of a system. and in fact, where we've done pilots, over 95% of the people have voluntarily gone through. for those who would not want to go through, they would go through the conventional means but they would also be more likely to be subject to full body pat-downs. it seems to me when we have the suggestion that the balance is not appropriate in terms of the right of privacy, we ought to realize what this ought of detection system would give us.
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two give us an opportunity to see things that cannot be found by a magnetometer. >> did you introduce this legislation, this requirement that we go through that greater screening? >> oh, i have worked with tsa on this and i have fought against an amendment that was on the floor that prohibited us from doing this. >> i see. okay. >> it is not something that the tsa can't do. they have it within their authority to do it if we will give them the proper funding to buy these machines. >> congresswoman norton, your thoughts about this fax here. what more could somebody have done? the father blew the whistle. the guy paid in cash. he had no luggage. what else? had he this syringe that would have been shown on one of these detectors had he gone through one. he had the explosive material in his underwear. i don't know, what do we have to do to raise a red flag? and nothing was done. >> chris, dan is right about the dots. he and i have been on the committee, the homeland security committee, since its inception
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an we spent a lot of time during the bush years trying to connect the dots. looks like we still got some dots to be connected. you're right, chris, about red flags. that's what's most troubling to me. the father, a very credible, a most credible, i must say, source who comes forward and reports his own son to the authorities, and that's not a red flag? prominent banker who says that his son has connection to yemeni terrorists? i am -- i'm going to want to know about that. now the president did the right thing. he ordered the right investigations. he didn't panic and do some of the things that we did after 9/11. but i must say, my good friend in his homeland security secretary spun this into a controversy. i think people like dan and i -- we don't point fingers with be we try not to when it comes to homeland security -- would have been content to say, okay, let's see what happened. when you get somebody getting on television saying everything
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went well -- >> you brought it up, congresswoman. let's watch. here is the secretary of homeland security saying things worked as expected, in fact the system worked. here she is making that dreadful comment. >> one thing i'd like to point out is that the system worked. everybody played an important role here. the passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action. >> our system did not work in this instance. no one is happy or satisfied with that. an extensive review is under way. >> as ross perot would say, congresswoman, measure twice, cut once. i think that was cutting twice and measuring once. >> the american people will forgive a lot if you say, you know, i think we have a problem here. but when you look like you're spinning it, they really turn away from you. she did the president a disservice when she did that. >> you know, congressman, i accept everything about your efforts to try to deal with this
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by having people screened properly. i keep thinking of all the times i fly, you fly all the time to california back and forth to do your job, all the time we see old women or old men being taken out of their wheelchairs and having to do this lord's walk for about 20 yard to prove they can walk. it is insane. then you hear about this guy who raises all the red flags and walks right through. why do we put through this, you got to take your shoes off, you got to do all this crap. is this really going to get down to profiling? is that what it is going to come down to, like they do in israel where they have a 45-minute interview with the person, try to figure out their politics, where they're coming from and where their head's at and hope they sweat enough so there is trouble? do we have to go far enough to go to robotic efforts instead of human common sense? the systems work and you need common sense. >> you do need common sense. we've adopted some of the
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processes the israelis have used. we use it in a more subtle fashion than they. but i'm concerned about what people call pc. we're afraid of being criticized for what we do. we do have a sense of urgency in this country about the threat that remains. this is a consistent, constant, intensified threat, and what we have to do is be agile enough to respond to the new manifestations of this threat. we know that it's not just poverty. we know that it's not just people who are ill-educated. the most recent ones are educated people. sometimes acting in a single act, but with connections to others. we have to constantly refine what we're doing and we have to try and stay ahead of these people every single step of the way. >> i agree. but you know what? this is the same old problem with the watch lists and no-fly lists. we've never gotten that act together. this guy was on one list but he
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didn't kind of make it to the next list? he wasn't even an american citizen. what does it take to get off a list? >> i want to know whether we can even go by these robotic things like if you pay in cash -- that used to be an old way to catch drug dealers. they deal in cash. >> this guy paid in cash. >> can you catch a person that pays in cash and has no luggage? is that enough to say to a guy you can't get on the plane? >> that's not the only thing we do, chris. we add a number of different pieces of intelligence that we get on a regular basis and we refine things on a very, very regular basis. that's why intelligence is so important in this matter. we utilize the intelligence. >> we say we have a layered approach an we do. but at each level of the layer, we failed here. >> you know, the problem is i wonder whether it's even possible, because congresswoman, let me ask you this. if this fellow had given a little attitude at the airport and said, look, i know i'm
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paying in cash, that's how we do big in lagos these days. i don't have any luggage because i'm smart enough to pack light on long trips. i don't have to have to go through luggage and getting baggage back and by the way, my father's a big banker in lagos, let me on the plane. the only reason he was on the list is because his father complained. suppose his father complained. >> he was on the list. >> chris, this is why we have -- this is why we have to have the layered approach. we use intelligence. we use the robotic approach. we use personal observation. we use police dogs. we use all of these different things because we know nothing is a fail-safe. that's why we have to have a comprehensive approach. that's why we have to have american people alert to the kind of suspicious activity that might take place. you might make a mistake when you say this person looks suspicious.
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but we ought not to have people cowed, that is afraid, to say it. let the authorities make those decisions. >> chris, this man did not go through the whole body or entire body mechanisms that we have in amsterdam. and there are reports that people coming into the united states don't have to go through that technology. that doesn't make much sense. this is a sovereign country -- >> i feel better after talking to you two. thank you very much for joining us. coming up, where does the united states need to fight these terrorists? we'll ask two former cia officers about where the real danger is. they've been out in the field. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc.
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welcome back to "hardball." al qaeda's now claimed responsibility for the attempted terrorist attack on christmas day. so where does the united states need to go right now to fight terrorism in this world and where does al qaeda live? bob bahr is a former cia field officer, is now "time."com's intelligence columnist. tyler has served as the cia station chief in europe until he retired in 2005. this threat that we had this weekend with the christmas attempt over detroit, is this an emerging threat? i mean is it fair to say that the threat of this kind of terrorism in the air, for example, is growing? >> chris, it is not an emergence. it is an old threat that we never took care of. this is yemen. yemen is the sort of the center of al qaeda, always has been. we've never cleared it up. you have elements of al qaeda almost all in those mountains. it is impossible to get to.
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an ungovernable country. >> hold on a second. president obama apparently has abruptly ended a round of golf and sped toward his family vacation home for what's described as a personal matter. let's go to chuck todd for a report on the president. he's in hawaii. chuck? >> reporter: hey, chris. just very quickly we know there had been some reports about what happened and the president cutting things short. a friend of the family was injured today on the ocean. it's nothing having to do with the first family, but it was an injury to somebody very close to the president, a friend of the president. we're not quite clear how serious these injuries are but there is a lot of law enforcement and ambulance folks around the presidential compound. of course, any time that happens it gets a lot of people nervous and concerned. and so that's the facts as we know them now. first family is fine. the president is fine. but it is a family friend that
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apparently has been injured. again, we don't know yet the seriousness of those injuries. >> thank you, chuck todd who is with the president. more on that as it develops later this evening. back to tyler with the question before the country this weekend, that's who is our biggest threat? is it yemen now? i wonder how this fits in to our decision to send 20,000 more troops to afghanistan. can we pin down the enemy or are they everywhere? >> we're having sound problems right now. let's go back to bob baer. can you hear me? >> i hear you fine. >> bob, i can't hear tower. let me ask you that question. you were saying yemen's been a problem. is there a point of a particular concern or is this yemen, is it somalia, is it afghanistan, the pakistan border? europe, hamburg, even cells within the united states? where is the enemy if you had to put it in your head right now.
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give me a picture of the enemy. >> it is the classical guerrilla force. you send in the military. they get up and move to more remote areas. they've moved into yemen, moved into somalia. they've got bases all across europe. it is virtually impossible to crush this thing with it being everywhere in the world. >> does it make sense, tower, to go after them in afghanistan given what's happening right now coming out of yemen? >> i think you have to go after them wherever they are. if afghanistan, yemen, but it is not really a military problem. the real danger is in europe, in canada and people already here in the united states and working with the europeans more effectively, we still haven't gotten that right even from my days there. there was plenty of intelligence available here. the other problem at this end lies in the structure that was put in place after 2004 here where everything was sort of done by committee, everybody's talking about connecting the
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dots and throwing around buzzwords. really there's no individuals who are really responsible for this. it is all committees. it is more of a structural problem here and then figuring out how to work with the europeans, allay their fears about what we're going to do with the information and our fears about what they're going to do and that's really where the process can be tightened up. >> well, there is a kind of "who's on first base" situation. we know the state department, u.s. embassy in lagos was informed of this young man's danger to us. we were told obviously that the fbi's in charge of taking care of these watch lists and keeping an eye on who we shall keep an eye on as a country. now the homeland security is the flack-catcher of the weekend. who's responsible? janet napolitano's taking the flack. you got the fbi in charge of keeping track of these watch lists and it was the u.s. embassy official or consulate officer who got the call from the kid's father. >> it's technically, if you look
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at the lines, it is the national counterterrorism center. but all of these organizations have their own counterterrorism center. cia, homeland security, all of these kind of people. if you look at the way the watch list is compiled, they are committees that meet each morning and say who should be on it. that's fine, but in the end there has to be one or two people who really are experts on this who make the final decisions. and it -- we used to do it during the cold war. we certainly can do it on this. >> i think it comes down to somebody with a really good intelligence hunch, brain, like you guys. senator lieberman's jumped on this thing. here he is talking about yemen. >> i'll leave you with this thought, that somebody in our government said to me inside of the capitol of yemen. iraq was yesterday's war. afghanistan is today's war. if we don't act preemptively, yemen will be tomorrow's war. that's the danger we face. >> well, that's a very aggressive statement. you might expect it from senator lieberman, it may be appropriate in some situation. but the question is, what does
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"act preemptively" mean, bob? go into afghanistan? we're already in there with over 100,000 troops now. it's not like we're holding back in the war on terror here. >> you can't go into yemen. it's too mountainous, too many remote valleys up there. too many tribes. you'll never get to the bottom of the problems in yemen. i don't know what he means acting preemptively. the government in sanaa is barely holding on. there is a civil war going on. saudi arabia is worried about its security from yemen. so it is another blank spot on the map. i don't know what you'd do about it. it would take 2 million soldiers to subdue that country. >> maybe that's what he means. is there any argument for a large punitive raid, united states army marching into a country like yemen where we do have diplomatic relations, tyler? it seems like everyone of these
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situations develop, whether it's 9/11, you get the far-out people, let's attack syria, let's attack iran. let's attack on all fronts and go to war with every islamic country. now there are some people who might like the whole pinball machine to light up like that. i think they're crazy. that just makes more enemies, more casualties on both sides. then you've got what the people who want this east-west war getting what they always wanted, which is an east-west war. >> there more muslims we kill more enemies we have. this becomes a never-ending cycle. that's what worries me. >> is that something that people want? who wants that? >> no, they don't want it. what do you do about it? the question is we have to find a way to get out of these wars as far fast as we can and then see what happens. in the meantime, that man should have been stopped in amsterdam because he was on a list.
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but the fbi and the cia don't share databases. they still don't after eight years. >> tyler, back to bob. here's my worry. what happens if our enemy out there gets really ambitious, they send 10 or 20 of thieves guys out every day and we catch most of them but we don't catch them all and that's hell where we don't catch them. real hell. >> that's one thing you really have to prepare for this. this is what the europeans had to deal with in the '60s and '70s. occasionally you're going to have some of this won't work, some of them will get through. you have to be prepared with what to do after that. in the meantime, it is not a military solution. it is an intelligence solution. if you think, how many number two and number three and number four of al qaeda have been killed by predator attacks an all these other things. the real dangerous people are the guys like this little guy that would never even come up on the radar. >> how would you possibly pick up intel on a few guys get together with a kid like this,
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they recruit him and he joins them, they give him what he needs in terms much weaponry. he already has a point of view. how could a big intelligence, worldwide network pick up on such a small situation like that? >> these cells are very hard to penetrate obviously but you have to have sources on the ground, human sources, in places all over the world reporting -- you can do it with allies, you can do it how you must where you are, and you collect information on the whole situation, and what you have to get is someone will come to you at some point and say there is a fellow, a nigerian, he looks like he may be one of the people who are going to do this. one thing that saves us on this, it is hard to find people to kill themselves, to suicide bombings unless you're in someplace like israel and palestine. to recruit suicide bombers is not easy for these guys. so that's the one theory. you just have to go to work
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every day on it basically. >> i wish you were right but i've been in the west bank and places like nablus. i've seen the martyrs on the walls over there, they're celebrated and their parents sit next to you and have sweet tea with you and talk about their kids. it's not hard enough. thank you, bob baer, thank you tyler. coming up, who were the winners and losers of 2009? we'll have them in "the side show." for you. you're watching "hardball" on you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. and the great taste of sauce. try green giant valley fresh steamers. each bag microwaves in minutes, steaming the vegetables until they're cooked to perfection. try green giant valley fresh steamers. with all the pet hair in the air my eyes would really itch. but now i have new zyrtec® itchy eye drops. no other allergy itchy eye drop works faster or longer. zyrtec® itchy eye drops work fast i can love the air™. (announcer) find it in the allergy aisle.
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back to "hardball." time for "the sideshow." first up, political winners and losers of 2009. the results just came in from a new poll of americans. on the winnest list -- first lady michelle obama.
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secretary of state hillary clinton. and sonia sotomayor, the newest supreme court judge. all women. joining them on the winner's list, president obama. topping the loser's list, the salahis. next, south carolina governor mark sanford. remember him? he went off to argentina looking for the allegheny trail. whatever he was looking for. who could forget joe "you lie" wilson. joining them, speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. a winner around a loser, harry reid. ben bernanke. both sides. the most talked about this year, sarah palin also a winner around loser. depends on which direction you're coming from. straight from the people. next, you love this one. sex, lies and videotapes. over at india, a governor has resigned following the release of a sex tape showing him in bed with three women. the shocker? well, he was 86-year-old, the
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governor was. 86. the tape was first broadcast by a local station over there in india on friday. the governor said the tape was faked. he submitted his resignation a day later citing health reasons. i guess that explains a lot. time for the big number. earlier in the show we brought you homeland security janet napolitano's initial reaction saying "the system worked." like "you're doing a hell of a job, brownie." how many americans disagree with that assessment? according to a non-scientific poll by little bpolitico.com, 9 the attempt shows that security in place did not work. that's tonight's "big number." 96% say things aren't working well. it's been nearly a year since president obama took office as president. "the washington post" outlines the biggest myths of a
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i'm matt nesto with your cnbc market wrap. stocks wobble to a higher finish today. dow industrials up 27 points. s&p 500 up about .1%. nasdaq about .25%. a report from mastercard on holiday spending shows that spending was up more than 3.5% this year. consumers buying more despite retailers reluctance to offer deep discounts. the gap, walmart and am done all up on that report. apple rising today. again another new high. investors are excited about the
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prospects of their new tablet computer. but airlines taking it on the chin after last week's failed terror plot. delta and american airlines' parent amr both down about 4% in trading today. finally, oil prices hitting their highest levels in more than a month amid geopolitical tensions in iraq. that's it from cnbc. first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." as his first year as president comes to a close, "the washington post" has the mists about a president's first year. we'll go through them with chris and richard wolfe, msnbc's
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analyst, thank you for joining us. thank you, chris. young fellow, you're up. this is it. you're going to take on the myths that have guided us through century. myth number one, congressional control by a president means power. so barack obama came into office with a sweep of the house and the senate that should have meant, according to the myth that you acknowledge here, success in getting what he wanted. bhapd? >> chris, i see a democrat elected 258 seats in the house, 60 seats eventually after al franken won in the senate and you think this is going to be a rubber stamp, not in the negative stamp, but congress is basically going to say this is a popular democratic president, a president of our party, his main priority is health care, let's get this thing done. well as we saw, on december 24th, they did get it done, but that was 9, 10 months after the president started on that trail. it was well after his initial deadline before the august recess. what you always have to
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remember, members of congress have been there a long time. they value the institution, they think that they have as much to do with the bill as the president does, and of course always important to remember, their political calculation, this is ultimately about them surviving in the next election. they'll do everything they can. think you saw that with ben nelson with a very red state up in 2012, the senator from nebraska trying to do everything he could to go to the people of his state when he was up for re-election saying, look, this is what i got for you and why i ultimately voted for the bill. there is a lot of reasons. george w. bush is another example, social security, after he was re-elected in 2006. that went absolutely nowhere despite republican majorities in the house and senate. >> richard wolfe, was it in fact a myth? was it seen as a truism, if you will, that congress loyal to the president would do his bidding. we had a democratic congress under clinton. we had one under carter.
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and now one under obama. there is myth you can get things done if you have the congress in your party? >> you really need congressional authority to get anything meaningful done. executive orders and foreign policy only take you so far. what was really unusual here is that the republicans decided that they weren't going to give him any kind of honeymoon, maim him unacceptable in polite republican society. this is to make him seem so radical and so out of the mainstream in terms of american opinion, that no republican could be seen to vote for him from day one, from the stimulus and through health care. that strategy has been successful in keeping that group together, peeled off a few of these democrats from conservative states like ben nelson. but in the end the democrats just about have enough power. the president still needs them on his side to get anything meaningful done. >> give me the key name who said that should be the way republicans should behave. who did that?
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>> this is across the board on leadership. he didn't get one vote in the house -- >> i know. i'd like to know where the loop begins on this total negativity. >> this started in the campaign. let's face it. the yd he was muslim and palling around with terrorists has just continued on here. look what they are saying about him, as a radical, socialist, none of this bears any resemblance to what he's done or tried to do. >> an angry base will abandon you. you believe that has been the belief, that if he doesn't do what he said he would do in the most ideological sense that his troops would get even. >> well, chris, go back and look at the -- several weeks before health care went through the president made a speech in which he said i'm going to send 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, something the base of the party roundly previously objected to. but those liberal democratic senators, they stayed in line. they ultimately went and voted for the president on health
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care. i think if you go back, chris, let's go back to 1980. the democratic so disliked jimmy carter that ted kennedy feels as though this is his time he's going to primary a sitting president. jimmy carter wins. bill clinton comes in to office running as a third way, sort of trying to basically use the liberal base of the party to position himself in the center. liberals are the ones who came to his biggest defense when he was impeached in 1998. i think ultimately liberals make a political calculation -- this happens with conservatives, too. we're just talking about a democratic president here. they make the political calculation this person is with me more than they are against me and i'm not going to abandon them for one or two things. now 10 or 15 things they do against the base of the party, that's another thing. >> all i know is republicans abandoned george w. bush's father when they raised taxes. >> right. but look, given the choice -- elections are about choices. given the choice between sarah palin or mitt romney on one side and barack obama on the other, i think they'll forget the angry
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base will forget their unhappiness about the lack of a public option and fall in line. chris is right here. on the other side, look, an angry country you cannot buck. if the country stays angry at all politicians, at incumbents, at the president, then he's in big trouble. it is not just about the base. anger is a real problem. >> when will we know whether you're right or not, chris? this coming 2010 election? >> chris, don't you assume that i'm right? >> i just want to know if the scorecard is right. if he doesn't get hammered this coming november, you're right. >> yeah. look back, chris. first term, mid terms of a president's term, almost always significant. 20-plus-seat loss in the house. upper-digit losses in the senate. if it's something less than that or even equivalent to that in truth than it is historical with historical norms. if you get up to bigger losses in the senate, then it's not
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just the anger in the base, it is anger in the country. and the country wanting to put incumbents back -- send them a message. >> you are at bat, chris. you say approval ratings inevitably drop. the president started with capital that dissipates over time. you say that's not true. >> look back. that's definitely not true. ronald reagan and bill clinton came into office with far lower approval ratings than they left with. bill clinton happened to go through that thing of impeachment and still left office higher. it depends on what you do. george bush came in -- george w. bush came in with ratings that dropped precipitously during his presidency. the war in iraq being one thing, katrina being another. president obama's putting together a vast reform of the health care system. that will eventually be what we judge him on. >> is it amazing how polling works? we saw in a poll today that some people think janet napolitano
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was right that the system works when it comes to homeland security and that terrorist threat. i was reminded, richard, of people that liked bill clinton more after they found out about monica. there's always somebody out there that gets a different message. right? >> i'm not sure tiger woods could say the same thing. but look, if you look at the polling, on these fast-moving stories it is incredibly unreliable. the question is does president obama's numbers look more like reagan or carter. if the track of the economy is like reagan, than he's going to be doing great and his numbers will inevitably rise with the economy and stock market. if this is just one foreign policy disaster after another, the economy still feels like it is in a crisis in a couple of years and he's jimmy carter, then as republicans wished for, his numbers will stay low and continue to lose support among independents. but at this point, who knows which way the economic recovery curve is going to turn? >> i think it is timing. i think that carter and bush sr. both had their recessions late
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in their terms. it is much better like eisenhower, nixon, all having their recession -- reagan early, and all coming back in the end is how they remember you. thank you both for your attempt to bring down all those myths. i think you had some success there. happy new year to both of you fellows. up next, political analysis on the recent failed terror attempt. people like hoekstra, ranking member on the homeland security, ranking republican, blasting away at the president saying it was his fault even though, well, the system was set up under bush. there will be blame. we will see. this is "hardball" on msnbc. i hired him to speak. a lot of fortune 500 companies use him. but-i'm your only employee. we're going to start using fedex to ship globally- that means billions of potential customers. we're gonna be huge. good morning! you know business is a lot like football. i just don't understand...
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the full investigation has been launched into this attempted act of terrorism and we will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable. >> that was president obama today in hawaii making a statement about the attempted terrorist attack. time now for our political fix with pat buchanan, an msnbc political analyst. pat, fire away. the president's in hawaii. is he the michael balandic of this affair, the wrong climate, the wrong optics, the wrong look. he doesn't look like he will rest. >> i think the optics are terrible, chris. he's out there in the sun
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playground when the angry and terribly upset over what looks like something that really would not have happened, his character from nigeria, who basically has been put on a watch list, his own father says he's a radical and extremist, and gets on a plane across the atlantic to blow it up. and it's the fourth day of this event. and there's a lack of verb in responding to something that may not be able to be stopped but it's going to be somebody's fault politically. >> i think they do that and it was certainly a mistake to send
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the troops out to work. and obviously and in saudi arabia and in my column tomorrow, i say, this is almost as bad as today as the administration did get its act together and come out with statements that more merely matched with what it looks like the rest of the country. >> let's take a look at the secretary for homeland security in her -- we did a great job and then we didn't do a great job. both versions. >> it's coming up in one second. we're going to watch it. we're going to watch it in one
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second. i think she made a very foolish statement and weber did not put that name on the list, he got on an ir liner, and made a terrible mistake and this guy was not even a lot of case. he should not have been put on the plane. >> i understand he's an extremist and a muslim extremist, that means you don't put him on a plane if he's a muslim extremist. >> let's go back, pat, the cops are coming. let's take a look now at the
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homeland security secretary on the "today" show. >> one thing i'd like to point out is the challenge is that no one is happy or satisfied with that and an extensive review is under way. this, as i say, was not even a close call. if someone is accused by his father of being the extremist, we put him on the list and he does not get on the plane crossing the atlantic until he proves. the proof should have been on him and not on us denying him the flight. >> we'll be right back with pat buchanan. the old man tall was what he was
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now. we inherited the most straj jik attack on our own soil in our nation's history. >> well, i wonder if the democrats have as much -- the cheen knee adviser, what do you think? pat buchanan, how do you have the chief to tell you that it was the other guy's fault when it's on your fault? are only republicans allowed to
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say that, pat? >> well, look -- >> i mean, is it okay to get tired of 9/11? >> i don't know who set up the rules and he shouldn't have been on that plane so there's a system where he won't be on the plane. >> let's a preemptive strike and yemen and we keep learning of new country where is we have to go to war with them. and then you're going to have somalia after that. and then the whole country is
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like terrorism to deal with this terrorist threat. and i do think that there is much better security and a system that actually works. security has to be a part of it. >> you know what they want to do? more bothering safe people and that will make everybody feel better. >> well, chris, let me say this. we have a war in afghanistan and homeland right now, al qaeda is in -- >> pat, gene, are you with pat on that one? >> i am definitely with pat on that one and i'm with him on a part of that one and right now
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it's time for for the "the ed show" with ed shulds. >> good evening. three big stories have hit my hot button tonight. first, the attempted terror attack tonight and and a guy was allowed to get on the first place and the pun lick option and down in 2010 and a plane traveling have amsterdam to detroit, today al qaeda and president obama announced he has
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launched a full investigation into what went wrong. >> let's know that the united states will do more than simply strengthen our defenses and continue to use every element of our national power to dismantle and defeat them from afghanistan or pakistan and it's unbelievable that this guy was even let on the plane in the first place. his father had reported him to authorities to the u.s. embassy in 23450i engineer gentleman yeah. earlier he was banned from banned from being on the terror watch list. but it seems that nobody was actually watching this guy and why even have a ter

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